Open letter to Dr Denis MacEoin
November 1, 2007 by marranci
Dear Denis,
First of all, thank you very much for taking the time to read my post and for your comment as well as for summarising your Islamicist and Arabist credentials which, of course, I never challenged or questioned. For the benefit of the readers, I will recopy below your comment to my post :
Gabriele,
Before I bother to read your full comment, let me put you right. If you had actually taken the trouble to read my details on the report, you’d have seen that I have an MA in Persian, Arabic and Islamic Studies from Edinburgh, a PhD in Persian Studies (focussing on Shi’ite Islam) from Cambridge, have written several books and a great many articles on Islamic subjects, contributed to The Encyclopedia of Islam, the Encyclopedia Iranica, the Oxford Encyclopedia of Islam in the Modern World, and many other reference books. taught Islamic civilization and Arabic-English translation at the University of Fez, taught Arabic and Islamic Studies at Newcastle University, and some Persian at Durham. The fact that I’m also a novelist doesn’t figure in this at all. It’s totally irrelevant, but because you seem determined to attack the messenger instead of the message, you focus on the wrong thing. I’ll read your remarks in more detail later. But I already see denial writ large on what is there. Read the texts, then add to the 100 mosques we visited the estimated 1600 mosques in this country, and you may accept that we have a problem. And that the Muslims we worked with agreed it was a problem for them too.
As you can see, I faithfully reported your expertise in classic Islamic studies in my post. I thought also that it was relevant to highlight that at the present your main interest, as you have mentioned on your own webpage, is not researching and teaching sociological aspects of Islam.
Unfortunately, as by your own admission, before even reading my post, you have presented a defensive position thinking that, in your own words, I would have been ‘determined to attack the messenger instead of the message’. Of course, I am sure that you can notice from my post that I have challenged the very basis of your report, and asked clear questions, which if answered and substantiated will resolve my doubts.
But apparently in your comments there is not even the minimum attempt to refer to my issues with your overall methodology, and with the lack of transparency.
I am sure that you can clarify your methodology, tell us if interviews were conducted, and confirm that the overall research was carried out in an ethical manner. I will be happy to publish your answers to my questions, and if they are satisfactory, to acknowledge that the study was conducted with a substantial professionalism.
Yet I will still think that the report does not show very much in itself. On the one hand, it can be used to claim that mosques host material useful to preach hatred. On the other, it can be used to say that out of 1600 mosques and institutions very few possess radical material. Nothing in your report answers the main questions: how is this literature used? When? For which purposes? And so on.
Being an anthropologist and a social scientist, rather than an Islamicist and Arabist, I am very concerned about the lack of methodology and I have asked you to reply to some questions; the same questions I would have raised were I asked to peer-review your report for an academic journal.
Unfortunately, you did not engage, as everybody can see from your comment, in a useful discussion. Rather, as Narcissus, you fell in love with your Islamicist credentials which never were denied, and you referred to your being a novelist and involved in literature as something that could potentially diminish them; something that only you could have assumed from my post.
I look forward to read a more substantial answer to my legitimate questions.
With regards
Gabriele







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What a stupid and unacademic response to Dr. Denis MacEoin, one of the world’s leading experts on Islam and Islamic trends.
Dear Dr Irene Lancaster FRSA,
thank you for your kind comment and for letting us know your opinion concerning Dr Denis MacEoin’s work.
I am not speaking about Dr Denis MacEoin’s credentials in Islamic Studies and various languages. I have reported them in full and clear way referred to his website. I am sure that he can acknowledge it.
Being an anthropologist, I cannot evaluate his work as an Islamicist, but I am evaluating the fieldwork and methodology for his report. The report is public and available for discussion. Or perhaps, you can let me know for which reasons the report should be beyond criticism.
I am sorry if this has frustrated you, but I am sure that if, as you say, Dr MacEoin is the world’s leading expert on Islam and Islamic trends, he will be able to reply and clarify his methodology and research to me, a simple anthropologist looking to understand Muslims and their lives.
I never rejected Dr MacEoin’s report only because was written by Dr MacEoin, but because was unconvincing in one of its main fundamental parts.
At this stage, I have received comments from Dr MacEoin’s supporters and friends, some general emails (some of which reaching different level of abusiveness), but I have not read one single answer to my questions.
The mischievous attempts to divert the discussion from my legitimate doubts on the methodology and issues concerning ethical research, towards a futile personal diatribe is pretty useless.
Everybody can read my post and see my views. If you do not like them, I still have the right to ask those questions. Or should I be silenced?
Maybe I have an answer to the above last question. I am very surprised to see that my comment on your blog, which also pointed to my post discussing the report, has been carefully removed.
I find this very shocking and I leave the readers to draw their own conclusions.
with regards
Gabriele
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Now that’s quite amusing. Leading “expert” on Islam and Islamic trends … bwahahaha!
I have not received any comment on my blog. If I do receive one, I will check that it is more accurate than your diatribe above. If I find it accurate and not in any way misleading or defamatory I shall consider posting it.
However, I do not consider that only anthropologists have the right to consider the subject of hate literature. Dr. MacEoin’s findings have now been disseminated worldwide and, luckily, there is nothing you can do about it, despite your ridiculously fancy title.
Dear Dr Irene Lancaster FRSA,
thank you for taking your time and visit my blog. It is clear, from what you have written above, that you approve censorship. I am very depressed to see that a scholar can decide to censor criticism. I invite the reader to read my two posts and consider in which countries they would have been censored. Thanks god, we are in the UK, and the only place in which my criticism of how the report has been produced and my questions on its methodology can be censured only on your blog.
I am sorry to notice that you consider a discussion on methodology as something useless.
I am very happy that Dr MacEoin findings have been disseminated worldwide, and never tried to stop them from being disseminated, since this will increase the scrutiny on his report. I even asked my own students to read the report and linked it to my post. Hence, I have helped its dissemination.
I found your idea that I would have wanted to stop the report as something very strange, yet it says quite a lot about the political emotions beyond it.
Dr MacEoin is an accademic, and part of the accademic community and this means that he is ready to have his work commented and scrutinized. Or possibly not?
If possible, I will consider to invite Dr MacEoin for a public debate. I am sure that he will be so kind to accept.
I still have not received any answer to my questions and my concerns on ethical research. You consider this requests as ‘misleading or defamatory’.
I think that people can make their minds reading your comments and my both posts.
I look forward to receiving the answers to my questions (some of which of course can be easily answered, in any case, through a simple Freedom of Information Act)
With regards
Dr Marranci
Dr Marranci, I admire your calm and patient attitude in dealing with some really rather insulting comments.
As Dr Lancaster comes close to admitting, this so called academic survey was designed specifically to generate a certain kind of media coverage. Now that it has been “disseminated worldwide” by the media, it has done its job.
My own conclusion is that the authors are not interested in having their work subjected to the sort of scrutiny which ethical researchers would welcome. Quite the opposite, as your experience shows.
This “academic survey” is all about politics and the shaping of public opinion, not science.
(By the way, I have a particular interest in politics masquerading as science and also in the ways in which legitimate debate is stifled and/or avoided on the internet. As such, I’m intending to write a post on your experiences. Fell free to email me if you have any thoughts on that (I’d email you but can’t find your email address)).
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“It’s totally irrelevant, but because you seem determined to attack the messenger instead of the message, you focus on the wrong thing. I’ll read your remarks in more detail later. But I already see denial writ large on what is there.”
I find it very very strange that a man who would accuse others of being offensive to him and judging him ‘without reading his credentials’ in their totality should be so JUDGEMENTAL that he has read and judged an entire article, which it would’ve taken him all of 15 mintues to read, without even reading all of it!!!
Research Methodologies and everything else aside, if this is an example of how he *found* hate material in the literature given out by mosques, it has put me in doubt of the accuracy of his other works. Such an irresponsible attitude…and from a man who is a self-proclaimed ’scholar’ at that!!
Oh, this is so silly. The report makes it clear that teams of young Mudslims visited the mosques and bought or were given the materials that served as the basis for the study. They obtained receipts everywhere they went. With the help of an advisory committee, I organized the material, identifying offensive passages where they occurred. Some were in English, some were translated from Arabic. The offensive passages are now in the public forum, and the report identifies the places whjere they were found. I don’t doubt this could all be refined, but that wasn’t our purpose. All we did was show that offensive and hate material was available in around a quarter of the premises visited.
All we have had from the Muslim comunity so far has been excuses, denials, and repudiations, as though this stuff had descended from the stars. No-one has had the guts to say ‘This is dreadful, it represents an extreme form of Islam, we wil do everything in our power to remove it from mainstream institutions’. All Inayat Bunglawala could do was protest that it was all quite legal. That’s not the point. The point is that telling Muslims to hate all non-Muslims, to avoid contact with them as far as possible, tobelieve Jews are the cause of all the world’s degradation, and so on and on — this is deeply offensive to the host society and, quite frankly, to all moderate Muslims. If Bunglawala or yourself had reacted to this extremism and vowed to eradicate it, Muslims wouldf have gone up in the public estimation. As it is, you all seem to think this sort of thing is OK. You bring nothing but shame on yourselves by giving it even tacit approval. The materials are all entirely genuine, they are all available.
I am not, in spite of Irene Lancaster’s praise, the qworld’s greatest authority on Islam, or anything like it. I wasn’t employed to be. I was someone with the sort of knowledge that enabled me to understand and present the texts. The healthy thing is to forget me and Policy Exchange, and instead look at the texts. Shooting the messenger will get you nowhere.
You’re right, it wasn’t. I think some of the readers of this blog can safely assume what your purpose was.
You probably didn’t get the type of reaction you were hoping for due to the fact that you took one or two quotes out of several books presenting them without any sense of context whatsoever trying to portay the books you were taking them from as hate literature, when in reality they weren’t and aren’t.
Here’s a question: what’s your idea of a “moderate” Muslim? Is it your kumbaya-singing-hippie-type-we-love-the-world-and-everyone-in-it Muslim? Or is it your truly moderate Muslim who tries to the best of his ability to live his life according to the true teachings of Islam (which you’d probably label as a Wahhabi or extremist)?
And thank God they are, as people have access to verify these things themselves and see just how big of a sham your whole report really is.
I’m glad you admit that you’re not anything like the greatest authority on Islam. I find it funny, however, that you seem to think your learnings in Shî’ah Islam gives you any type of ability to understand and present the texts in their proper light.
…this is deeply offensive to the host society and, quite frankly, to all moderate Muslims…vowed to eradicate it…wouldf have gone up in the public estimation.
As Prof Chomsky says,
just carry out the ‘antisemitism test’ replacing Muslim nouns, and the like, with their Jewish equivalents then see how any text regarding so-called ‘Muslim extremism’ reads.
It’s like being transported back to inter-war Germany where racism took the place of politics. Such is ‘modern’ Britian where it doesn’t matter who people vote for, they still get the same policies and identikit politicians. There is only one way to go when politics and democracy no longer work and that’s to look for scapegoats, especially amongst the weak who can’t defend themselves properly, or so it seems.
That’s why cowards like Bush and Blair attacked Iraq, because they knew it was completely powerless and unable to defend itself.
As you can see from my quotation, the writer sees Scottish/British Muslim folk as parasites, basically, neither commensual nor symbiotic either.
Hitler and Himmler thought there were ‘moderate’ Jews.
Tony Blair and George Bush are considered ‘moderate’ - who are guilty of the same crime as Hitler, ‘unprovoked aggression’ against Iraq.
Depends on what you mean by ‘moderate’ I suppose.
If it’s hate literature these people are after, why not look for it amongst the daily outpourings of Rupert Murdoch Industries for example - he’s a foreigner and an extremist and a liar who disseminates hate literature, and Scottish/British Muslim folk don’t even need to go into a place of worship, or carry out some pseudo-academic study either, to find it.
All the best folks!
ps
British racist War Criminal New Labour liar paid to spread his extremist poison -
Blair paid $500,000 for 20-minute talk
FT
08 Nov 2007
pps
British non-suicide bomber of the near-future -
A picture to chill your soul
The Editors
MediaLens.org
09 Nov 2007
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It is very interesting to note how Irene Lancaster
works in tandem with Denis MacEoin as his second line of defence. On many ocassions, when MacEoin struggles with access or defence Lancaster lends her shoulder for gatecrashing.
Given below, are some examples of the campaigns these two are passionate about check:
http://irenelancaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/07/what-the-guardi.html
It is not a mere coincidence that the two pour adulation
on Kuentz, MacEoin calling it as “simply rivetting”
http://irenelancaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/10/eyewitness-repo.html
http://irenelancaster.typepad.com/my_weblog/2007/12/matthias-kuentz.html