Er, well, not according to Hitler and Goebbels who collectively blamed Jewish Bolsheviks for wanting to do to just that, and who claimed German Jews were not integrated and were basically fifth columnists and terrorists and the like, attacking, not just Germany and the German people, but western civilisation as we know it -
cf ‘Kristallnacht’ just for instance - which was claimed by the Nazis as justified retaliation for a Jewish international terrorist act carried out in Paris against the whole of Germany, apparantly.

James merely repeats nazi dogma and propaganda - but updates it by substituting Muslims for Jews and gives Muslims collective responsibility for the crimes committed by certain individuals, whom none of them has voted for and very few support.

Strange how history repeats itself, I was just saying on another blog.

Substitute Jews and Judaism for Muslims and Islam, and we are back again in inter-war Europe.

..Jewish resistance groups..
- Surely you mean ‘terrorist groups’ James?
What exactly were they supposed to be resisting?

Isn’t it strange how some terrorists attacking Britian and the British military get rehabiliated and even held up as shining moral examples to the rest of - and others aren’t!

All the best IMaaA!

Methinks the real problem isn’t with Islam or those who are allegedly plotting to take over the world. Methinks that the problem is that cultural warriors seem to be living in a world where “Team America” represents reality.

Seriously, if you wish to believe that 1.3 billion people (including Shias and Sunnis shooting each other in Lebanon and Iraq) are united in a robotic plot to create a caliphate (even if Shias don’t believe in Caliphates) then be my guest.

Rog(FB)

thank you very much for clarifying some points. I am happy to know that you strongly condemn statements which are similar to those expressed in the video I have posted, and which resemble the Nazism and the anti-Jewish legislation of the 1930s.

Although there are many different groups, and things, as I have demonstrated in my book, Jihad Beyond Islam, are quite complicated as far as the personal opinions of those who considered themselves ‘jiahdis’, I suggest that you read this book:

Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden

I will be very happy to discuss how much of bin-Laden’s ideology is a real religious ‘Holy War’ against the infidel world in order to reduce it to Dhimmitude or actually a delirious political post-colonial struggle against what he sees as the neo-colonialist, imperialist, power(s), mainly the US, which is ‘oppressing’ the ‘Muslims’ and their lands (actually this may be a topic for a future post so we can widen the discussion).

Of course in both cases the result remains the same: lots of innocent people killed. But the actions to be taken to stop this situation may be different from one case to another.

Thank you for reading my blog and for your comments

yours
Gabriele

You also point out that some Jewish resistance groups were atheist or secular in origin. I would advise you to explore the implications of that point further. Quite simply these people by and large fought for nationalist reasons. Of course terrorism is terrorism but the aim was the foundation of a nation state. That is quite unlike Al Qaeda whose aim is global in creating a transnational Islamic state. They are not simply seeking to eject western presence from their lands. To them the world is theirs. Of course Gabriele I do not consider Youtube or Google to be academic sources I drew them to your attention however as there is a huge amount of evidence on them, produced by the Islamists themselves. Quite simply they make their point quite clear their aims are global and that is what they say. You may disagree and that is fine but I simply suggested that you look at what they themselves have to say.

“Furthermore, no Muslim I know (other than very few extremists) wish to impose Sharia on you, but many, even among the radical, see themselves as fighting to free sacred Muslim lands from oppression. This minority often wishes what actually a minority of Jews in the 1930s and 1940s wished for: a land in which to live under Talmudic Law or (as it happened) with compromises with the secularists (Zionists). This time of course, instead of the Talmud, it is the Qur’an.” Even if this were true and I do not believe it is it ignores the global aspirations of Islamists. Secondly it is wishful thinking in the extreme to suggest that Al Qaeda would even for one second be interested in compromise! Compromise with what secular Muslims and non Muslims on Al Qaeda’s agenda come on mate get real.

“You are implying that if Jews were to “agitate for a Jewish state ruled according to their own religious laws taking precedence over Non-Jewish laws” Hitler would have been right to do what he did!! You are saying that the Holocaust would have been justified. ” I said no such thing nor did I imply such a thing. I feel you have made this point rather disingenuously after I pointed out the falsity of drawing comparisons with 1930s German Jews. The Jews never agitated for Jewish law under Hitler. Nor did they commit violent acts against the German population in the name of Judaism. The tragedy was they were overall well integrated. It is an ironic fact of history that the German Colonel who pinned the Iron Cross on Hitler during ww1 was himself Jewish. Jews were undoubtedly envied by many Germans but they did not seek to subjugate the law ever in Germany at that time. Did they plant bombs on subway trains then, or threaten newspaper editors with death over harmless satire? We both know the answer is no. I have replied somewhat hastily here so have not included sources but certainly can if you wish. Check out just two sources for how Jihadists have global aspirations (those ones you seem to overlook):

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1761.htm

http://www.pmw.org.il/Bulletins_may2007.htm#b240507

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gze6Zsf30wi6C-EXEyb-1SP5DCVw

http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Iraq/226074

Note that the arguments are couched in religious terms. There are loads more but if you want to believe these people are somehow pluralistic nationalists dream on.

thank you for your comment. Although my post was about the comments that some people make in the US about Muslims which sound very similar to those solutions advocated by Nazi supporters, I can give some interesting historical examples that you probably missed while watching Youtube and using Google (not two of my preferred academic references I have to say!).

you said

Jews in Spain, Italy or Germany for that matter were not committing and plotting to commit acts of terrorism aimed at slaughtering the civilian population on behalf of their religious beliefs.

First of all, speaking of Jews in general as well as Muslims in general is totally wrong. There are Jewish people of different denominations with different political aims as well as ideologies. The same can be said about Christians, Muslims and any other religion or even sect. To deny this would be extremely flawed or to use your expression a big pile of ‘garbage’.

Said this, here some examples of what, if we apply the same category you seem to about Muslims, you may like to call ‘Jewish terrorism’ during the 1940s and later in order to establish a Jewish state (Israel) to respect the will of God and the Torah:

Assassination of a British government official Cairo 6 November, 1944. Lord Moyne, Secretary of State, was assassinated by the Stern Gang. Yitzhak Shamir, a member of the Irgun and later leader of the Stern Gang was behind the plan.

Hostages Taking against the British in Tel Aviv, 18 June, 1946.

Blowing up government offices (including their civilian employees and visitors) Jerusalem, 22 July, 1946. The toll was 91 Britons dead, and 46 injured in King David Hotel. The terrorist attack was coordinated with and carried out under the instruction of the Haganah.

Booby-trapped suitcase: British Embassy in Rome (Italy), 13 October, 1946.

Booby-trapped car parked in civilian areas: against the British in Sarafand (east of Jaffa) on 5 December, 1946.

Flogging of hostages: British in Tel Aviv, Natanya and Rishon, 29 December, 1946.

Letter-bombs sent to politicians: twenty letter-bombs were sent from Italy to London between 4 and 6 June, 1947.

Murder of hostages as a reprisal for government actions: against the British in Natanya on 29/30 July, 1947 and making a booby trap out of their bodies!! The note left with the bodies read: “This is the sentence of the Irgun’s High Command”.

Postal Parcel-bomb sent to London, 3 September, 1947.

for more and for references you can read:

Shaul Zadka; Zeev Ivianski; Arie Perliger and Leonard Weinberg; Raider, Mark A.; and in particular Joseph Heller

So, what does history tell you here? Are these examples of ‘Jewish terrorism’ or actually of political organizations which used their Jewish identity and rhetoric (including the fact that killing gentiles is not a Jewish crime) for their own political aims and dreams? These organizations attacked internationally and they operated very much in the same political manner as Al-Qaeda since the message was ultimately the same: ‘leave our Holy land’. Of course the religious rhetoric, like in the case of al-Qaeda, was the way to recruit and receive support for their actions. I am sorry but I have the impression that you have referred to history without having deeply studied the radical organizations (both religious and atheist) which were involved in the struggle for the foundation of Israel.

In the 1930s in Germany there were certain Jewish movements and political organizations (which also used violence) which, after hoping in Hitler and his plan to gift the Jewish population with a state in Madagascar, started to become disaffected with the German regime.

Furthermore, no Muslim I know (other than very few extremists) wish to impose Shari’a on you, but many, even among the radical, see themselves as fighting to free sacred Muslim lands from oppression. This minority often wishes what actually a minority of Jews in the 1930s and 1940s wished for: a land in which to live under Talmudic Law or (as it happened) with compromises with the secularists (Zionists). This time of course, instead of the Talmud, it is the Qur’an.

So where is the difference? Jewish extreme and radical organizations bombed London, Italy and the British colonizers and civilians in the name of a Biblical land.

Today we have some fanatic, extreme Muslim organizations which bomb what they perceive as the new-colonial forces since they hope to establish a Caliphate, in the name of the Qur’an.

Yet, I have the impression that you are suggesting quite horrible things in your post: you said in your point 1:

Jews in 1930s Germany did not agitate for a Jewish state ruled according to their own religious laws taking precedence over Non-Jewish laws.

You are implying that if Jews were to “agitate for a Jewish state ruled according to their own religious laws taking precedence over Non-Jewish laws” Hitler would have been right to do what he did!! You are saying that the Holocaust would have been justified.

But this is exactly how Hitler&Co saw the Jew!! He saw them as subversive of the German state because they refused to accept the non-Jewish law!! They rejected to recognise the German gentiles as superior to them since a Jew, by religious definition, is superior to a gentile (this is a simplification, but not a wrong one!)

I am sorry but if this above is your argument then it is a very very stinky pile of garbage

Best wishes
Gabriele

1. Jews in 1930s Germany did not agitate for a Jewish state ruled according to their own religious laws taking precedence over Non-Jewish laws. Jews have never believed for instance that the world belongs to Allah an needs to be ruled according to divine dictates.

2. Jews in Spain, Italy or Germany for that matter were not committing and plotting to commit acts of terrorism aimed at slaughtering the civilian population on behalf of their religious beliefs. Rather they were alienated and subsequently murdered by a totalitarian racist ideology. Personally I think the Islamic system and by that I mean Islamic Jurisprudence and Sharia law has more in common with Nazism than the US. By that I refer to the way it is global in its aspirations and discriminatory in the way it seeks to subjugate non-Muslims and women. It is also as a theocracy authoritarian.

Seriously as an educated man why do you write such garbage? It is incredibly easy to refute these arguments of yours. A simple look at history shows that comparisons between 1930s Jews and modern Muslims are invalid. I mean how many Jewish riots where there over cartoons and books written about their faith? Also if you feel there is no comparison with political Islam and Nazism just go on youtube or Google and see what they have to say for themselves (the Islamist organisations).

Not sure about that. I’ve heard it suggested the Nazism in its German form was really just European Imperialism - with its scientific racism and militaristic nationalism - taken to its logical conclusion. I haven’t heard all the justifications for that assertion, but it sounds very plausible on the face of it.